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D. Further Information received from Sweden, Finland and Estonia after the Publication of our Report |
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18. The Interrogation of the JAIC Key Witness Silver Linde before a Finnish Court - Page 2 |
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It could have been either a little more than a quarter to one or so, well, about ten to one and then I left the car deck and went to the 1st deck.
Then I checked the zero-deck which was down at the bottom of the ferry, there was also a sauna underneath the 1st deck.
And then I walked through those floors, the third, the fourth and I went upstairs in front of the Information up to the 8th deck, to the bridge.
I watched ... Einar Kukk. Yes, he was there in the Admiral’s Pub. I went up to the nightclub and I looked into the room. There were only about five people. I looked into it. I was near the Admiral’s Pub, I went straight ahead and went upstairs. The Admiral’s Pub is near the Information counter on the same deck (5th deck).
Before the Finnish Court he explained this and the subsequent sequences as follows:
- That is, I was going up from the First Deck, past that Pub Admiral where that Einar Kukk sees me, I went to the Information and from there I went up to the Bridge. That is, I passed the Information because there are stairs next to the Information that go up to the Bridge. And we climbed the stairs, Captain Andresson climbing before me.
It was either 1 o’clock or few minutes past 1. The watch officers change shifts at about 1 o’clock, so they had changed when we came. When the Captain came to the bridge, they talked that four main engines were functioning and the speed was 15 knots, and after that there was talk about the bang or these bangs and then the watch officers said that it should be checked, that there had been a telephone call from downstairs, that a clicking noise could be heard there, or how should I say, that one should go with the boatswain to check the situation.
That is, first I tried to get in touch with the boatswain, from the bridge by radio or telephone, but there was no answer. Then the watch officer told me to go down there to call the boatswain by a regular telephone, he was obviously asleep, so I should call him with a regular phone so to speak, to wake him up. Then there is a lift under the Bridge, but I thought that I could not get to the Car Deck with the lift because the doors were shut. Then I ran, I ran to the Information on Deck 5 to ask them at the Information to unlock the doors of the Car Deck so that I could get to the Car Deck. And when I went to the Information, there was a passenger who had just won money at the slot machine, and that person was there heaping Swedish five-crowns. The person at the Information was just counting Swedish crowns and that person asked me to wait a moment until the counting was over. Then I said that the doors should be unlocked, the answer was that they had already been unlocked, that they had already gone downstairs, but I cannot say who had gone there.
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Note: This is the first time that Linde or anybody else has confirmed that other crew members had been on the car deck during the crucial time before the heavy heels, with the exception of the unknown crew member (either Tanel Moosaar, Aarne Koppel, Aulis Lee or Ervin Roden) who told Alti Hakanpää onboard the “Mariella” that they had been working in knee-deep water on the car deck before the big heel. This is also the confirmation that the bridge knew before Silver Linde came up (it is doubtful that he ever returned to the bridge anyway) that something had happened on the car deck and the bridge had ordered crew members down to the car deck to carry out counter measures. It is very likely that the Swedish nautical adviser Juri Aavik was down with them because he was always immediately called if something was wrong with the bow ramp. Linde knows of course who had been down on the car deck since there are survivors – see above – the statement of Alti Hakanpää – Enclosure 21.3.3.333 of our Report. |
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Linde continues:
- This person at the Information was quite new or a quite new person on the ship, actually working there for the first time, he did not know her. At that moment the ship created a first heavy list and we were all thrust on to the floor and the goods in the shop flew from the desk on to the floor. After that I stood up because the tilting lessened enough for me to move. Then I ran from Deck 5 to Deck 4, and on Deck 4 the stairs were already full of people, in their underwear, half-naked, trying to make their way up. They ran from there and moved upwards. That is, I did not manage to get down because the stairs on Deck 4, they are so narrow that two people cannot pass each other without one of them having to move right against the wall. Then I ran up to Deck 7 from where it was possible to get out and there I heard an Estonian person shouting loudly that there was water on Deck 1. Deck 1 is below the Car Deck.
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In order to recapitulate the time, the following was discussed between the lawyer and Linde: |
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Linde: |
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I went up to the Captain’s Bridge at about 01:02 but I was sent back down again practically right away. And the first inclination occurred about one and a half minutes after I had left the Captain’s Bridge as there are two flights of stairs. They took me about 1.5 minutes. |
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Gahmberg |
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Was it at 01:02, according to your observations, that they noticed on the order Bridge that something out of the ordinary was going on? |
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Linde: |
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That is, when I now went up to the bridge, the watch officer on the bridge said that they had called from downstairs, but I do not know from where downstairs, that there was some loud banging. |
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Gahmberg: |
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Obviously at 01:03 and a half. |
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Linde: |
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That is, the ship started to tilt heavily, it started to turn around so fast that one was as if forced to have one foot on the floor and the other foot on the ceiling. |
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Linde: |
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That is, the last words I heard on the bridge, were that the four main engines were functioning, that the speed was 15 knots and that it would be necessary to check downstairs what was going on there. Those were the last words I heard. |
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Gahmberg: |
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And this was at about 01:00? |
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Linde: |
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That is, a little after 01. |
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Gahmberg: |
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Or shall I now understand it like this: Up until about 01:02 there was nothing that as such was out of the ordinary, that you did not see anything like that on the Bridge? |
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Linde: |
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Nothing. Everything was normal. |
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Gahmberg: |
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At which stage did you understand that something very serious had happened and that the ship was likely to founder? |
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Linde: |
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This, of course, was hard to believe and even at the time when the starboard bridge wing had already touched water, even then one refused to believe that. |
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In the interview Linde explained this as follows:
- I ran at once to the 4th Information deck. A Swede had won money and he was counting it. He was just saying how happy he was that he had won and then the ferry listed for the first time, well, like … threw people off their feet down to the floor, things fell off from the selves in the shop. The shop was next to the Information counter. The slot machines came off the wall and then the ferry was kind of pulled back. I was able to stand up again and I ran down to the 4th deck. There were the staircases, well, the staircases led to the car deck, from there I could see the crowd, the people had gone mad, they were running upstairs in their underpants, well, they were in their underwear and were running upstairs shouting: “Water! Water! Well, the Estonian was there, well, he was shouting that there was water on the 1st deck, well, the water was there.
He fell into water, well, in his cabin. And there were so many of them that I simply made for nowhere. That staircase … it was not possible for two persons to go upstairs or downstairs next to each other anyway, it was crowded people were coming from all directions, I ran up to the 7th deck with them and I reported on the bridge, well, … that … I remembered a cabin number. The Estonian shouted, I asked what his cabin number was. He answered that it was either 1196 or 1096; something like that. He had fallen into the water in the cabin already. I reported on the bridge to find out about the water and well, I said that it was impossible to get it under control.
And then the ferry listed again, I lost my walkie-talkie. Then I started to push people out, well, they were in panic already. I had the first clock for a long time, well, I bought it because I had to be on duty and I had it on my wrist. It showed the right time. So, after having outlived the panic on board of the ferry, after having come down in the liferaft along the side of the ferry, thus, when that hysteria was over, I looked at the watch, it was almost half past one a.m., the ferry was on the side, thus everybody was in panic. It was somewhere between 01:25-30, I remember it exactly.
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The Starboard Stabiliser |
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Gahmberg; |
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Did it come to your knowledge that the right-side stabiliser of the ship was out of order that night? |
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Linde: |
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As far as I know, the right-hand stabiliser never functioned properly after it was installed at Naantali. The maintenance men were always working on it. |
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Gahmberg: |
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Was that so also on this journey? |
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Linde: |
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But during the two weeks I had duty, during those two weeks they were always working on it. |
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Gahmberg: |
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Were they working on it on this last journey also? |
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Linde: |
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I cannot say if they were there also on this journey. |
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Gahmberg: |
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Do you have any personal opinion of what actually may have been wrong with the stabiliser? |
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Linde: |
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If they had know it themselves, they would certainly have repaired it. |
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Gahmberg: |
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With other words, it was out of order? |
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Linde: |
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There was something wrong with it all the time. |
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Note: This is the first time that Linde admits to something outside his area of responsibility which he could easily have avoided by just pointing out that this was not his area of responsibility. Maybe it was so much common knowledge onboard that the starboard stabiliser never functioned that he had no problem in admitting it.
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