That is, I would start by saying that continuing to work on that ship which started after Estonia, it was obviously Mare Balticum, that is, I got a job on that ship half by force, by stressing and making pressure, that my job was gone and I had to get my work back and it was on that new ship.

After I had returned home three or four days later, around eight o’clock, after eight at night, the Estonian security police came to my home, I was then living at Tartu in southern Estonia. And then I was taken to the house of the security police for an interrogation. And I was then met by three interrogators with whom came here direct hatred. And then one of them said that here we have your interrogation reports and not everything in them is quite correct. I said that this difference may be due to the fact that the first interrogation took place at a Turku hospital with an interpreter who had no knowledge of the language, and in the other interrogation there was the Estonian police. That is, there I was asked to immediately write a paper in which I should tell what this difference in my opinion resulted from, and I said that it was not possible for me to check the way the interpreter had interpreted and in addition to that the questions may have been different, different questions may have been asked, and, besides, all people understand the answers in a different way.

They did not tell about these differences, they did not tell about differences and they did not even put two documents side by side to make it possible to see what differences there were, and they did not tell about these differences.

That is, I remember Meister and Neidre better, not so Laur, but in Turku there were Meister, Neidre and Laur taking part.

These people were not present at the interrogations that took place at the police station, the interrogations at the police station were carried out by policemen.

A few months later, I cannot now remember the months, but I was working on the line Tallinn-Helsinki, then the afore-mentioned Väinö Karmi, this man from the transportation police called me again. He interrogated me twice and there he put pressure on me to make me change a point of time by ten minutes. It was about two points of time given by two people who had been asleep at time in question, and he claimed that, or in other words, it was claimed there that the point of time given by me who was up and awake, that the point of time indicated by me was inaccurate whereas the points of time stated by the people who were asleep were more accurate.

That is, he appealed that if you change this point of time then you will be left alone and you will no longer be disturbed. That he would no longer fetch me for any interrogations if I changed the point of time, and then in connection with another interrogation, because the interrogations always took two to three hours, then I finally, fed up, said that you can do whatever you wish. Yes, then at the end I said to him that you may do with the point of time what you want because I really cannot take part in these interrogations any more. And then he recorded these interrogations and they were also written down on paper but he had a Dictaphone on the desk but I cannot, of course, tell which parts he actually recorded but I should say that if he did make recordings, then the cassettes, the cassettes must be somewhere.  

That is, I do not know what the reason was for his being so eager to change the 10 minutes'  time specification. I told them everything like it was but I do not know for what reason there was for this 10-minute's  ? break or a need to change.